Tron Berthet Ideale Model 57 Catalog Cover

Model Guide: Idéale Saddles and Clips

A reference guide to the Idéale saddle and clip lineup, covering model number, category, top material, rail material, size, weight and technical notes for dozens of historic models. Use this table to identify, compare and date saddles from the Idéale catalog.

Units

Notes

Sizes and weights of some models change slightly over catalog entries, generally getting narrower and lighter with time (e.g., Nos. 80, 90). Sizes and weights above are from their first available catalog entry.

Idéale Saddle Clip Guide

No. 1: Original two wire clip

No. 2: Standard 38mm, two wire clip, chrome steel, reinforcing liner

No. 3: Special Competition model, micro-adjustable

No. 4: Same as No. 3, aluminum, for 90CR Duralumin saddle Idéale

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Catalogs and References

1931 – Rexor, France; page 101, “Selles”

1955 – Ron Kitching, England; one page; specialty distribution, “Idéale : The Continent’s Finest Saddle”

1963 – Ron Kitching, England; four pages; catalog distribution

1969 – Idéale, France; one page; specialty distribution

1970 – Ron Kitching, England; three pages; catalog distribution

1970s – Idéale, France; four pages; catalog distribution

1974 – Gene Portuesi’s CycloPedia, United States; eleventh edition; page 39

1979 – Ron Kitching, England; two pages; catalog distribution

1981 – Ron Kitching, England; one page; catalog distribution

1981 – Bikecology, United States; catalog distribution; page 15, “Seats”

Special Thanks

Robert Broderick

Dale Brown at Classic Rendezvous

Mark Bulgier

Satoru Masuda

Chuck Schmidt at Velo-Retro

12 Comments

  1. I have an Ideale 145 saddle. Have been able to find no mention of this model anywhere. It is 12 inches in length and 5 inches wide if the framework was ever chromed all traces are gone, I rather think it was originally painted. The next time I have it off the bike I will put it on the scale.

  2. Hello — I just purchased an Ideale 90 Speciale Competition TITANIUM. The saddle has “rodie main selon Rebour” imprinted on the leather top. It’s black leather with 6 copper rivets on the back and 3 on the front. Also, one of the rivet tops is missing — can you give me a good recomendation as to who can replace this rivet for me? Do you have any information on these saddles? I don’t see them listed on your site. Since I’ve only seen one other, I’m assuming that these were pretty rare. Thanks!

  3. Eric,
    Are you still adding updates to the info on the Ideale saddles? I have a good amount of missing information that can help make this more complete.

    Jay

  4. Great and useful site you have here. On the 43, there appear to be quite a few variants, the constant being the removable frame or “spring”. I have an ealy “incised” rather than stamped 43 with no drilling ot lateral holes. I date it late 40’s. Pictured on my site on the NOIB SC page (some pics show the bike with a battered old generic, but the 43 is easy enough to recognize).
    Best
    Nick

  5. Hi Leonardo,

    The saddle you point out appears to be authentic.

    It is also possible my database has gaps or errors.

    In what ways is the description here different from the auction listing?

    Cheers,
    Eric

  6. Hello John,

    Thank you for your interest in Ebykr.

    Yes, please do provide pictures and any other relevant data on your Ideale 43. Feel free to send them to “ericinsf” “at” “excite” “dot” “com”.

    We would be happy to update our records to reflect your contributions.

    Regards,
    Eric

  7. Good day. I just received shipment of a bicycle equipped with a model 43 Ideale saddle. I am not certain of the formatting you are using on the page, so it is difficult for me to tell where the description of the Model 42 ends, and the 43 begins, but it appears that either there is no description of the Model 43, or the description doesn’t match the saddle that I have. I would be happy to provide you with pictures of the saddle – which is in quite good condition considering it seems to date from the 1950’s (my guess based on the vintage of the bicycle it is on). It also seems you don’t have a weight for the model 43. I could provide this for you also if you are interested.

    Thank you, for the lovely web site, and for your attention.

    John Barry

  8. Hi All,

    Hope you find the Idéale model guide useful.

    Feel free to forward any information that is missing or needing correction.

    Thanks in advance for your help!

    Cheers,
    Eric

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